The trails are great, but the attitude stinks.
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was even aan het rondsurfen op deze website: dropmachine; en kwam dit tegen:
Why riders are the destruction of mountain biking.
So there I was. Surfing around on Pinkbike, checkin out some rides, and lookin for good action pics, when I stumbled across this picture of a guy riding a miniramp on his Giant Faith, with a fullface helmet on. Guy looked like he was having fun, looked like a new bike and all. So I thought to myself “how cool is that. Someone making use of their resources to have fun on a bike that’s not the ideal solution for what hes riding.” And then I scrolled down to the comments and saw this.
“You’re riding a faith, that bike is not meant for that type of riding. Go find some drops.
Ride whatever you want...just don't grow crying to your mom when you break your faith doing shitty stuff. And try not to wear a full face...”
Piss weak dude.
I’m sure you all catch my drift. Every time I hear people dissin’ on kids for riding, I want them to choke under my helling foot. Comments like these have a completely detrimental effect on riders, new and old. Go to any picture on that site and there will be at least one negative comment for each picture. Why is it that we feel the need to destroy people’s morale and community spirit? It seems like even on Dropmachine, people are trying to get people to abide by their rules when it comes to what makes a bike "good". So it has a rigid fork on it, maybe he came from bmx and having a suspension fork ruins his pop. So he has a regular seat, hell you for having the nerve to say “Oh you need a fatter dirtjump seat.” I’m SICK of people trying to make other people feel like shit simply because they don’t subscribe to the same philosophy of cycling as others. Most of the people talking smack usually have massive self confidence problems, and need to rip others apart as it makes them feel better about themselves or their riding (for some strange reason.) I don’t place anything in anyone’s ability to ride. If they like to be on a bike, and want to ride with me, then cool.
This whole concept of gaining respect or whatever before some riders will let you ride with them is not only the highest form of elitism but is at the same time having a negative impact on someone who may actually be more passionate about the sport, instead of the cliqy social circles it creates . Before you go telling riders that they can't ride with you because theyÂ’re "no good" or "their bike sucks" stop and give your head a shake.
Everyone has been at that point, just starting out in cycling and being hungry for advice, and riding partners. You always hear how great it is to hook up with riders that are better than you as you can learn faster, and meet some great guys and girls at the same time, but its rather difficult when they tell you to hell off, or ditch you halfway through a ride because you’re “lame". I think it’s hilarious that these people beleive that because they have attained a certain level of skill on a bike (or sometimes no skill at all), that they should command your respect while treating you like the shit on the bottom of their shoe. Even worse, if you can endure their bullshit for a week or so, suddenly your in the "crew" and can then go about riding with your new "friends". If you are someone out there that does this on a regular basis because you feel you’re better than anyone, I have a message for you.
F*(% YOU.
First off, who the hell are you to tell others who they can and cannot associate with. Who the hell are you to claim your better than anyone because they ride a supercycle or they land shit "sketchy". Who the hell are you to try and intimidate others into thinking they donÂ’t belong on a bicycle. Who the hell are you to have the nerve to talk about those guys when their not around because they didnÂ’t hit that big line so obviously arenÂ’t as "gnar" as you. Who the hell are you to refuse to take a new rider to a new trail because "Oh you suck".
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU????
No wonder we have kids getting out of the sport as fast as they get into it. ItÂ’s because people do this kinda shit on a daily basis! Kids hear about how tight the mtb world is, and it looks fun and exciting, and it is! But then they get caught up with the neighborhood riders, who refuse to ride with them because their either too young, they suck at riding, their bike is gay, they wear their fullface everywhere or whatever and they get totally disillusioned and give it up feeling as though they shouldnÂ’t be on a bike, even though they have the time of their lives when their on it. The fact that youÂ’re denying people to do something without feeling shame and guilt is bad enough, but to top it off, it raises the price of riding shit! How? Less people buying shit, means stuff has to sell for higher prices. ThatÂ’s why when I hear people doing shit like this, I wanna kick their ass. Imagine what it must be like to have to be focused and determined just to enjoy something you love to do? Determined that no matter what anyone says or does, they will not talk you out of a sport your passionate about and into something like becoming a skater or wakeboarder instead (at which point they would rag on you for that as well).You wanna concentrate on judging rides strictly on the cool scale? Go pimp a civic. I couldnÂ’t imagine being a rider with a year or two of experience in this day and age. I would probably be out of it so fast, it would make you head spin. This entire sport is clouded with negative energy and negative vibes. If everyone just accepted new riders as eager members into this sport, hungry for knowledge and guidance instead of one more person to rip on, we would be a lot better off.
Now obviously I singled out PB over DM as they have a lot more members, some with names like "you all suck" and such. This is based more on geography and size than a dig at Pinkbike ; being in Calgary which is pretty much the centre of the universe for MTB, and with a gazzilion members or so signed up to spread hate throughout MTB... Although they could start modding the place and removing ridiculous comments and banning retarded names (and retarded people) from the site. Having said that though, These forums are places where those with similar interests can share open dialogue about the sport they love, and live for. ItÂ’s sad that most riders though hate on others and again this is a demographical problem. Sorry to all the younger guys that ride, but it seems to be rampant among kids aged 13 - 19 with a year or so of riding under their belt.
In closing I really just need to say...get a clue. I mean really. If you really don’t have anything intelligent to say to someone when they roll up on a shiny new bike, just say a quick hi and that’s it. I make a point to comment on their bike or something, kinda puts the person at ease.... Just to have someone roll up and you’re like” hey man! how do you like the Sasquatch?”.... or something like that. That’s all you need to do! If they aren’t very good, just remember that you have been there before as well. They need all the support you needed to make it to where you are in your riding skills, and for them to have a positive experience when they go riding, will make them sink more time and effort into their riding. Turning new guys away from a sport they care about more than you do because you convince them they don’t belong on their bike, will result in a smaller rider base, which will decrease the number of people you can ride with. It will increase the price of products, as the number of buyers decreases. And it will result in getting your ass kicked, cause slagging on another riders bike just isn't what this sport is about.
Dus ik had graag eens geweten wat jullie hier van vinden.
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Why riders are the destruction of mountain biking.
So there I was. Surfing around on Pinkbike, checkin out some rides, and lookin for good action pics, when I stumbled across this picture of a guy riding a miniramp on his Giant Faith, with a fullface helmet on. Guy looked like he was having fun, looked like a new bike and all. So I thought to myself “how cool is that. Someone making use of their resources to have fun on a bike that’s not the ideal solution for what hes riding.” And then I scrolled down to the comments and saw this.
“You’re riding a faith, that bike is not meant for that type of riding. Go find some drops.
Ride whatever you want...just don't grow crying to your mom when you break your faith doing shitty stuff. And try not to wear a full face...”
Piss weak dude.
I’m sure you all catch my drift. Every time I hear people dissin’ on kids for riding, I want them to choke under my helling foot. Comments like these have a completely detrimental effect on riders, new and old. Go to any picture on that site and there will be at least one negative comment for each picture. Why is it that we feel the need to destroy people’s morale and community spirit? It seems like even on Dropmachine, people are trying to get people to abide by their rules when it comes to what makes a bike "good". So it has a rigid fork on it, maybe he came from bmx and having a suspension fork ruins his pop. So he has a regular seat, hell you for having the nerve to say “Oh you need a fatter dirtjump seat.” I’m SICK of people trying to make other people feel like shit simply because they don’t subscribe to the same philosophy of cycling as others. Most of the people talking smack usually have massive self confidence problems, and need to rip others apart as it makes them feel better about themselves or their riding (for some strange reason.) I don’t place anything in anyone’s ability to ride. If they like to be on a bike, and want to ride with me, then cool.
This whole concept of gaining respect or whatever before some riders will let you ride with them is not only the highest form of elitism but is at the same time having a negative impact on someone who may actually be more passionate about the sport, instead of the cliqy social circles it creates . Before you go telling riders that they can't ride with you because theyÂ’re "no good" or "their bike sucks" stop and give your head a shake.
Everyone has been at that point, just starting out in cycling and being hungry for advice, and riding partners. You always hear how great it is to hook up with riders that are better than you as you can learn faster, and meet some great guys and girls at the same time, but its rather difficult when they tell you to hell off, or ditch you halfway through a ride because you’re “lame". I think it’s hilarious that these people beleive that because they have attained a certain level of skill on a bike (or sometimes no skill at all), that they should command your respect while treating you like the shit on the bottom of their shoe. Even worse, if you can endure their bullshit for a week or so, suddenly your in the "crew" and can then go about riding with your new "friends". If you are someone out there that does this on a regular basis because you feel you’re better than anyone, I have a message for you.
F*(% YOU.
First off, who the hell are you to tell others who they can and cannot associate with. Who the hell are you to claim your better than anyone because they ride a supercycle or they land shit "sketchy". Who the hell are you to try and intimidate others into thinking they donÂ’t belong on a bicycle. Who the hell are you to have the nerve to talk about those guys when their not around because they didnÂ’t hit that big line so obviously arenÂ’t as "gnar" as you. Who the hell are you to refuse to take a new rider to a new trail because "Oh you suck".
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU????
No wonder we have kids getting out of the sport as fast as they get into it. ItÂ’s because people do this kinda shit on a daily basis! Kids hear about how tight the mtb world is, and it looks fun and exciting, and it is! But then they get caught up with the neighborhood riders, who refuse to ride with them because their either too young, they suck at riding, their bike is gay, they wear their fullface everywhere or whatever and they get totally disillusioned and give it up feeling as though they shouldnÂ’t be on a bike, even though they have the time of their lives when their on it. The fact that youÂ’re denying people to do something without feeling shame and guilt is bad enough, but to top it off, it raises the price of riding shit! How? Less people buying shit, means stuff has to sell for higher prices. ThatÂ’s why when I hear people doing shit like this, I wanna kick their ass. Imagine what it must be like to have to be focused and determined just to enjoy something you love to do? Determined that no matter what anyone says or does, they will not talk you out of a sport your passionate about and into something like becoming a skater or wakeboarder instead (at which point they would rag on you for that as well).You wanna concentrate on judging rides strictly on the cool scale? Go pimp a civic. I couldnÂ’t imagine being a rider with a year or two of experience in this day and age. I would probably be out of it so fast, it would make you head spin. This entire sport is clouded with negative energy and negative vibes. If everyone just accepted new riders as eager members into this sport, hungry for knowledge and guidance instead of one more person to rip on, we would be a lot better off.
Now obviously I singled out PB over DM as they have a lot more members, some with names like "you all suck" and such. This is based more on geography and size than a dig at Pinkbike ; being in Calgary which is pretty much the centre of the universe for MTB, and with a gazzilion members or so signed up to spread hate throughout MTB... Although they could start modding the place and removing ridiculous comments and banning retarded names (and retarded people) from the site. Having said that though, These forums are places where those with similar interests can share open dialogue about the sport they love, and live for. ItÂ’s sad that most riders though hate on others and again this is a demographical problem. Sorry to all the younger guys that ride, but it seems to be rampant among kids aged 13 - 19 with a year or so of riding under their belt.
In closing I really just need to say...get a clue. I mean really. If you really don’t have anything intelligent to say to someone when they roll up on a shiny new bike, just say a quick hi and that’s it. I make a point to comment on their bike or something, kinda puts the person at ease.... Just to have someone roll up and you’re like” hey man! how do you like the Sasquatch?”.... or something like that. That’s all you need to do! If they aren’t very good, just remember that you have been there before as well. They need all the support you needed to make it to where you are in your riding skills, and for them to have a positive experience when they go riding, will make them sink more time and effort into their riding. Turning new guys away from a sport they care about more than you do because you convince them they don’t belong on their bike, will result in a smaller rider base, which will decrease the number of people you can ride with. It will increase the price of products, as the number of buyers decreases. And it will result in getting your ass kicked, cause slagging on another riders bike just isn't what this sport is about.
Dus ik had graag eens geweten wat jullie hier van vinden.
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- Drooze @ DirtE19
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ik kan er weinig zeggen, omdat ik niet hetzelfde voel als de auteur.
ik heb helemaal niet het gevoel dat er hier in belgie of nederland zo'n negatieve sfeer bestaat.
toch zeker niet in mijn vriendengroep. over de voorbije jaren zijn er veel nieuwe rijders bij ons begonnen, en allemaal zijn ze met open armen ontvangen.
hetzelfde gevoel heb ik als we ergens anders gaan rijden. we zijn allemaal bikers, allemaal lid van eenzelfde gemeenschap, en zo voel ik dat ook aan.
hoewel, ik moet zeggen dat ik dat gevoel wel eens krijg als ik naar het skatepark ga. en de negative houding van de locale 14jaar oude bmx'ertjes, die zichzelf geweldig vinden omdat zij de locals zijn, en de rest, de "indringers", dan maar moeten wijken.
ik denk vooral ook dat het iets is dat vooral op fora gebeurt, en veel minder echt. fora, die grotendeels bevolkt worden door kinderen van 12-17 jaar. kinderen met hun ideeën in volle ontwikkeling, nog volledig vatbaar voor indoctrinatie. dat groeit er wel uit, denk ik.
bij ons in de groep zijn we allemaal rond de 20, en dat maakt ook wel een verschil denk ik.
ik heb helemaal niet het gevoel dat er hier in belgie of nederland zo'n negatieve sfeer bestaat.
toch zeker niet in mijn vriendengroep. over de voorbije jaren zijn er veel nieuwe rijders bij ons begonnen, en allemaal zijn ze met open armen ontvangen.
hetzelfde gevoel heb ik als we ergens anders gaan rijden. we zijn allemaal bikers, allemaal lid van eenzelfde gemeenschap, en zo voel ik dat ook aan.
hoewel, ik moet zeggen dat ik dat gevoel wel eens krijg als ik naar het skatepark ga. en de negative houding van de locale 14jaar oude bmx'ertjes, die zichzelf geweldig vinden omdat zij de locals zijn, en de rest, de "indringers", dan maar moeten wijken.
ik denk vooral ook dat het iets is dat vooral op fora gebeurt, en veel minder echt. fora, die grotendeels bevolkt worden door kinderen van 12-17 jaar. kinderen met hun ideeën in volle ontwikkeling, nog volledig vatbaar voor indoctrinatie. dat groeit er wel uit, denk ik.
bij ons in de groep zijn we allemaal rond de 20, en dat maakt ook wel een verschil denk ik.
dat van die negatieve commenaren op forums is wel juist. Allemaal goed zolang het maar opbouwende kritiek is (wat het eigenlijk vaak niet is).
En Drooze; je hebt gelijk, het zijn vaak de jongere rijders (tussen 12 en 18) die "stoer" doen en denken dat ze de man zijn. En idd dit gaat er wel vaak uit zodra ze 18 worden.
Voor de rest heb ik alleen nog maar goeie ervaringen gehad met men medebikers.
PS; voor wat zou je de man zijn, zelfs als je f*ckin double backflips-heelclickers doet? Hiermee red je toch niet de wereld, hiermee stop je toch niet het gat in de ozonlaag?????
grtz
En Drooze; je hebt gelijk, het zijn vaak de jongere rijders (tussen 12 en 18) die "stoer" doen en denken dat ze de man zijn. En idd dit gaat er wel vaak uit zodra ze 18 worden.
Voor de rest heb ik alleen nog maar goeie ervaringen gehad met men medebikers.
PS; voor wat zou je de man zijn, zelfs als je f*ckin double backflips-heelclickers doet? Hiermee red je toch niet de wereld, hiermee stop je toch niet het gat in de ozonlaag?????
grtz
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Het is best wel waar , je kan op pinkbike geen enkele foto poste zonder dat een pool , canadees , amerikaan , etc je uitscheld : " you fucking gay *******"
En idd zoals drooze zegt is dit vooral bij de jongere mensen.
En ivm met die jeugd inde skateparks , de bmxertjes in skatepark " impact " in st-niklaas zijn hier een erg goei voorbeeld van
-Snob
-Vroom
-Arrogant
-Etc.
Ben zelf nu een dikke 16jaar maar toch ...
Mja wa doe je er aan
En idd zoals drooze zegt is dit vooral bij de jongere mensen.
En ivm met die jeugd inde skateparks , de bmxertjes in skatepark " impact " in st-niklaas zijn hier een erg goei voorbeeld van

-Snob
-Vroom
-Arrogant
-Etc.
Ben zelf nu een dikke 16jaar maar toch ...
Mja wa doe je er aan

Tjeh.
Wie merkt het niet? In iedere vorm, iedere leeftijd, iedere groep komt er een bepaalde afgunst naar voren als iemand iets nieuws heeft, of iets laat zien waar hij trots op is. Dat heet afgunst / jaloezie.
Persoonlijk kan ik daar ook heel slecht tegen, ik ben eerder blij voor iemand als ie wat heeft, maar je merkt inderdaad dat er vaker een bepaalde attitude wordt afgegeven.
Het is (voor mijn gevoel) in principe dezelfde attitude die een wielrenner kan uiten, dat komt soms hetzelfde voor in de mtb-scene.
Erg jammer, maar dat is juist wat de mensheid in zich kan hebben. Ik denk dat wij hier op dp.net juist hiervan de laagste waarde hebben, en ook nog het meeste raspect naar anderen hebben.
Wie merkt het niet? In iedere vorm, iedere leeftijd, iedere groep komt er een bepaalde afgunst naar voren als iemand iets nieuws heeft, of iets laat zien waar hij trots op is. Dat heet afgunst / jaloezie.
Persoonlijk kan ik daar ook heel slecht tegen, ik ben eerder blij voor iemand als ie wat heeft, maar je merkt inderdaad dat er vaker een bepaalde attitude wordt afgegeven.
Het is (voor mijn gevoel) in principe dezelfde attitude die een wielrenner kan uiten, dat komt soms hetzelfde voor in de mtb-scene.
Erg jammer, maar dat is juist wat de mensheid in zich kan hebben. Ik denk dat wij hier op dp.net juist hiervan de laagste waarde hebben, en ook nog het meeste raspect naar anderen hebben.
hier op dp heb je er idd geen last van, maar op pinkbike komen er steeds meer 10 jarige canadezen die iedereen afkraken en uitschelden, en zeggen dat ze goed zijn, en dan hebben ze geeneens fotos in hun albums.
zij zitten er volgens mij puur om anderen af te kraken. een moderator daar zou zo veel schelen.
bij meetings enzo heb ik er tot nu toe niks van gemerkt, en laten we hopen dat het zo blijft
zij zitten er volgens mij puur om anderen af te kraken. een moderator daar zou zo veel schelen.
bij meetings enzo heb ik er tot nu toe niks van gemerkt, en laten we hopen dat het zo blijft